Ep 7: Krav Maga Global’s Eyal Yanilov – The Man Behind the System
Eyal demonstrated extraordinary talent as student in Krav Maga, and then later as an Instructor and went on to serve as Imi’s closest assistant from the early 1980’s for almost 20 years. Eyal is the only person in the world to whom Imi presented the ‘Founders Diploma of Excellence’.
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Transcript of podcast:
Joey: So, thanks Eyal, for coming to be in the Podcast.
Eyal: My pleasure.
Joey: I’m super excited obviously I am very grateful to have you because you are one of my instructors and my mentors and so, it’s great to have you on the other end of the mic so you can actually answer some questions and go from there. Is there anything you want anybody to know about yourself or about Cam-G 0:43 your company 0:45 a little quick.
Eyal: So many things.
Joey: I figured. Well, how about we just let the audience just know a little bit about you. Maybe a really quick introductory of kind of you training Krav Maga and then starting Cam G.
Eyal: Yes. Okay, so I started training when I was around 14 years old. I started with one of Amy’s 1:09 students and then in the same year, a few months afterwards, I started with Amy also he was teaching once a week on Saturdays and I trained with him until he passed away.
Eyal: So about 24 years, something like that.
Eyal: He was training about 3-4 hours on Saturdays and those were, let’s say, potentially good or good. And the place he gave to his student, I was mainly teaching from a very young age. I’ve been first an assisting instructor and then instructor.
Eyal: Endow me , I was not doing Krav Maga I was more in the line of a communication and I settled educating instructors in a 1980.
Joey: Okay, so after the army you..
Eyal: Yes it is a bit after the army,the two things the first course before I go to vacation from the army so did the teaching instructors from the civilian line
Joey: Ahh got it!
Eyal: So I was a, let say an expert level or ready or expert tools something like that. and I started teaching in Israel because it was semi-professionally when I was a student in the university. Educating instructors also educating instructors are for the US Aide the first instructor course of people who came to Israel there were 22 people that came and I taught them to become an instructors and since then I was mixing between teaching civilians and teaching instructors.
Joey: Okay, so that was the first instructor course pretty much ever
Eyal: For outside Israels.
Eyal: non-Israelis, yes.
Joey: And during that time was there an organization of Krav Maga…
Joey: or just Krav Maga?
Eyal: No, it was a day, the first organization was established in 1978 was the Israeli Krav Maga Association.
Eyal: That was dissolved in the mid-nineties. I then created the international Krav Maga federation so before that there’s only Israel and we did some things outside the Israel a little bit in the US but spreading outside Israel saddled by myself in 1994 that’s when I went to Europe.
Eyal: And, so you know the two established body to do this international work? The –3:48-3:50–
Eyal; And then we –3:51-3:52– any more functioning, function reasonably and we are much bigger so I created the KMG, Krav Maga Global.
Joey: Gotcha! How many countries is KMG in now?
Eyal: KMG now is about 60 countries bit more.
Joey: Wow! Okay.
Eyal: 60 countries. And we have over 2000 instructors was associated ,related with us in the different countries. You know some small country like a Finland, for example we have really love number of experts and I think during the years i educated over a hundred instructors there. Finland is like for 4 million people some nowadays.
Eyal: And in a large country like China this moment we have got two and a half instructors. So there is a still way to progress for sure.
Eyal: In the 80’s the mid-80’s I started teaching military and a special forces in Israel. So I was in-charged of teaching Krav Maga to under cover undeterred units that was civilian ones. And then also teaching the— 5:04-5:06—In the late 80’s, one of my students became the head of Krav Maga in Israel defense forces, so then all the let say the tong it was given there was by myself except of course Amy. This then started my let say ordeal with the line of military and law enforcement and special forces and active units also in the line of –5:37-and VIP protection. Amy was teaching as a very young age also the curriculum that was in the beginning including quite much of military and law enforcement. So when I was a teenager I was doing military stuff Krav Maga I mean and the law enforcement stuff that was the curriculum in the system. In the , into the end of the 80’s I was in-charged Amy put me in-charged of the profession committee.
Eyal: And so back then I created all the new curriculum of the system that before that was only six levels due to grades we used to have yellow, orange, green,blue,brown,black grades and levels.
Joey: So basically, Amy started teaching or developing some techniques for Krav Maga and then He adopted the built-system from Judo because there was no in the system yet for Krav.
Joey: And so it was the closest that he can get to it.
Eyal: He was searching his way..
Eyal: Krav Maga was not developed in one day.
Eyal: So the moment he finished the military service he was 20 years in military service. It was in 64′ he went to the civil life he created two locations and he wanted it to be in the line of Martial arts. And then it is said he was searching his way so the most easy for him was the use of Judo uniforms and the Judo belts. By the way, when he started he started with the guy that he was teaching when he was teenager with military t-shirt, with military shirts. That’s how we started.
Eyal: but then it was much more comfortable for him and more likely acceptable by society. that he will used the Judo uniforms.
Joey: That make sense.
Eyal: So that was the beginning and then in the late 80’s we started going away from that line.
Eyal: I was also leading this one and dropping the belts and dropping the–7:38-7:39–for the Judo uniforms. training with tshirts, training with sweat shirts. Like I know what is the Jodugi it is a practice the Judo uniform. It’s like common people an outfit in a japan.
Joey: Yeah it’s true.
Eyal: So if you look at the Okinawa Japan,look at a hundred years ago this was more or less the way people were walking in the streets.
Eyal: So training in oriental martial arts in a real thing, oriental clothing in the end of the 20 century was the definitely not logical.
Eyal: And if you look at Krav Maga in the military they definitely didn’t train in Judo uniform that train in the military uniforms or it say sports uniforms
Eyal: And so that was the idea let’s training in clothing that are suitable for Israel.
Joey: Yeah that make sense.
Eyal: So t-shirts long pants or shorts that’s the way we were training. And then we, I made the new curriculum that–8:41–approved the course and that was the practitioner level, the graduate level and the expert level was in dropped the belt we dropped that type of uniforms and we moved to much more in a direction of suitable, function-able, clothing that are suitable to the modern world and let say 50th century
Joey: Yeah, okay
Eyal: And of course in the beginning we’ve trained with something that’s comfortable for us.
Eyal: Because we need to learn basics,
Eyal: be comfortable, the next phase we’re training outdoors and then we trained with different clothing and if it’s a winter we trained outdoor we don’t train with shorts, we trained with a heavier clothing and coats.so to function in the environment that you are living or functioning at, is a super important so the training, the some of the training sessions the simulations will happen in a clothing and environmental that you may find so far in daily basis.
Joey: Yeah it make sense. So sounds like when you’re explaining how is kind a of your idea to take a away the belts and you started creating the curriculum in the levels that we have and Amy was there the whole time why are you doing this.
Eyal: Definitely. Not only who’s there and when everything went through him.
Joey: Got it. So sound to me like you’re kind a his right hand man
Joey: As far as developing Krav’s system.
Eyal: Yes. Amy was a genius in making the most efficient, natural intuitive solution for a specific program. Amy was a walking system, he didn’t teaches system he was only teaching techniques.
Eyal: And he put on me the job, the role was to make Krav Maga’s assistant.
Joey: And just in case we both understand what do you refer to a system as?
Eyal: Okay so we are talking about integrated system that connects inside it the techniques, the principles that are driven from the techniques. the training methods, the subjects themselves, that are integrated together how this self defense with in it, with inside it. is interconnected …
Joey: Got it.
Eyal: The third party protection that practice was not done during Amy’s time. the third party protection that is connected also the similarities, the analogies, the correlations between the different parts.
Joey: So you may…
Joey: You two basically developed a technique didn’t really have much contacts to atactical firing situation necessarily is more, you know you gave him choke. This is how you defend it that’s it.
Joey: And then he kind a had you just figured it out a way to make more tactical about scanning third party in different system.
Eyal: Definitely correct, except of this, let’s talk about the choke itself how to prevent a choke. you may show the idea?
Eyal: My job was to take you much further,
Eyal: all the line of prevention, the escalation, avoidance this is one thing, all the post fight who to do after you made the release
Eyal: Going into the fighting mode, how to deal with the returning attacker, how to deal with continuing attacker. these things except of these to show the principles and the variations so again, Amy made the technique He then made another technique ,then another technique. There was no much of a connection between the techniques except Amy. Amy was the link.
Joey: Yes, that make sense.
Eyal: Now the thing is that there are instructors and the students have to cover the gap between the two techniques.
Joey: Because you can’t replicate Amy
Joey: And if He’s the system then you can’t have more tool people teaching at. So now you helped create the system you can have more people teaching at.
Eyal: Exactly. And the teaching it was in systematical way.
Eyal: And what’s very important is to understand that principles behind the technique, so we still do this specially in the self defense line. We are teaching techniques first of all Amy’s way.
Eyal: From the technique we’d understand, the principles or the principles behind this technique. All the grading of techniques what is the body defense what is the dynamic defense what is the active defense the hand defense or the leg defense. How do integrate together. What are the principles like the principles of deflecting, or of blocking or sliding defenses or sweeping defenses these are all self of type of principles.
Eyal: and then how we see this principles being manifested on other techniques
and from there we are using this principles in variations of the problems, in variations of solutions to variations of problems. How one major technique solves, how much you can stretch a certain technique to solve this in types of problems.
Joey: So you’re learning rather than a hundred techniques for a hundred problems, you’re learning one principle of techniques
Eyal: That would solve a hundred problems
Joey: a hundred problems
Joey, which also helps us not freeze as much to, which is great
Joey: So, okay so since, sounds like you help basic create the system of krav maga that we know, it’s interesting to me and people asks me this a lot of the time, I mean we see other Krav maga schools everywhere that are not probably a global that still wear the belts and in they’re even sometimes, even teaching the system but the sounds were like maybe they’re even copying of what you made in a way.
Eyal: Yes, to make it clear, these days, because Krav Maga became famous, two things happen: 1. Imitators. So, they’re people who’s saying they’re doing Krav Maga and they’re definitely not doing Krav Maga.
Joey: Yeah, I’ve seen in a lot of those in my area.
Eyal: So, that’s one thing. Then we have people who are legitimately from their lines of Krav Maga. So meaning, students of Amy, their students, their students that went- things that went down the line. So, when we did the new curriculum of the system in the 80s, the job – my job was to teach it further on. Some people came to learn, some people didn’t came to learn. Some people were already disconnected. Some people end it well, some people did not learn it well. So, there was, let’s say first line of instructors in this world. Those who are out of this world, almost didn’t get the new system unless they were in contact with us. So, there were already instructors in the U.S. that were educated initially, let’s say in the 80s, but didn’t come, did not continue to learn, who stopped contact with the source, who didn’t get new materials.
Joey: So basically, most of the other Krav Maga schools in the U.S. that are not KMG are teaching the 1980’s version of Krav Maga’s
Eyal: Before the 80s, yes.
Joey: because they haven’t been in contact with you, the person who made the system basically and are descended by amy , obviously , physically but mentally. But, so basically they’re not caught up.
Joey: So, I mean in every time I train with you, I noticed I come home and I go to my classes and teach my school and I’m learning, I teach them a new thing that’s developed. Something’s changed, a little tiny tweak. Because they have been tested in the battle field as you say and so, that’s, that’s 25 ,30 years almost of undevelopment that they have.
Eyal: Yes, so you could see people that, would they a technique that are originally Krav Maga technique. But you consider it Krav Maga from the past so since then, there has been development. The development have been, tactical development, technical development, two different, are two complete different things. And then subject development for example during the 70’s and 80’s, there was no at all body protection.
Eyal: There were no principles at all that manifests it.There were no dealing with the certain problems. For example: Night threats put it in the late 80s or dealing with the certain type of gun in a hostile situations, with that so what happens is that they see things sometimes in a seminar and they do and duplicate it.
Eyal: So what happens in many times is that it’s not really the stuff and please remember- we as an instructor and as students, we learn something then we practice it. How do we know that we practice well? most of us, almost all of us let’s say, we need to be monitored. Why? When you’re a Krav Maga instructor, when you’re correcting instructor, when you’re Judo instructor, yes? you have students, the students come to you , two, three times, four times a week and they learn and what you do? You teach them new material and you correct them for making mistakes. Who is correcting your mistakes?
Eyal: So then what happens. you’ve got instructors that have not been monitored for 20 years
Joey:L yeah and that’s bad coz , coz even sometimes if I miss a training with you, I, you always notice that you start to slowly, very slowly change things.
Joey: Just to be more comfortable. And everyday it changes a little bit more, and then a little bit more and all of a sudden later it’s a completely different technique.
Joey: And to point it out, like ‘Holy crap! I can’t believe that I did that.’ So that’s why I’m obviously here and I train with you as much as I can. But like, if I remember a training with that Krav Maga instructor, oh men it was like 8 years ago, and I thought he was a student. And we actually in one of your courses he didn’t pass but we had a little circle where
how they announce their name and how long they’ve been training and I remember he stood up and he has been training for probably 25 years —18:44— I won’t name it coz you know I don’t wanna you know make any conflicts but.. and I ask him when’s the last day that we’ve trained together? Oh, We don’t, I don’t , we don’t train. Like we don’t train with each other, we just teach a student. Teaching a training. – That’s what he told me and I mean I see his point teaching you are doing the technique, you’re mind is there. But, it has been 20 years since he’s trained and I thought he was a student.
Joey: and I was a p-2 level 2 student at that time teaching him how to throw punch and that’s when it clicked to me that I don’t wanna be him. and that’s why we’re part of Krav Maga Global coz we’re mandatory to train with you guys. It’s interesting. —-19:18—–
Eyal: And it works for everything by the way.
Eyal: Almost every subject, if you want to grow, if you want to improve yourself, would you do? You also say to yourself that people are better than you. That’s it. Except of this. Without this, it’s very problematic. Of course, except of that, you have to train by yourself. To gain more experience. But you need to gain the experience while being monitored that you’re not making mistakes. That’s it.
Joey: Yeah, it all makes sense. Do you think — I get this question a lot and I’ve been tackling with it and I have my opinion and I’ll share it with you but I think you might have a similar opinion. Some people think it’s better to learn an MMA or Jiu Jitsu or a Boxing first, and then learn Krav Maga. I’ve heard this recently in an interview that someone was doing, of a Navy Seal talking and I disagree completely. I think if you were to learn, it depends on what your goals are, but if you want to learn self defense, I want to learn tonight or by next week how to defend myself against an attacker coming to the house with a knife or a gun. My family, I feel like I need to learn the thing that I need that’s gonna do that. I understand they’re thinking Jiu Jitsu ground, Boxing standing, but it takes a long time to learn each of those. And an average person doesn’t want to spend a year doing boxing, spend a year doing Jiu Jitsu, then spend a year doing something else. What do you think? What’s your thoughts on that?
Eyal: Yes. The more proficient the person, the better it is. It’s obvious. So if you have no knowledge at all and you want to defend yourself, go into the Krav Maga lesson. You learn as fast as possible how to defend yourself practically in reality. If you already got the background in punching and kicking for example, you’ve got an advantage. It’s obvious. You’re a better kicker, you’re a better puncher, than somebody who is not and somebody who has not been training before. It’s obvious. Now, the boxer when he goes to boxing session, he trains 2 hours boxing. And if we are giving a Krav Maga lesson of two hours, there will be several subjects, striking will be one of them but there will be also defending the knife, then releases from grabs, and dealing with a stick attack, etc. So of course we will not spend 2 hours on boxing. So if you have more time and you’re a Krav Maga student and you’ve got the ability to train boxing and to train other stuff, that will be good for you. To be more proficient and there’s no time in the training place that you can train more in Krav Maga and spend more time on the heavy bag of the focus mint, then find another instructor that can assist you to become better. It’s obvious. However, if you’ve got limited time, and you want to exceed and excel in the subject of defending yourself, defending other people, then go to the Krav Maga and spend time there and try to get as much as possible time in the training.
Joey: My analogy to that, which I talk to people about, is if I’m going to China and I had to learn the language, I’m going to learn Chinese. But I’m not going to learn Chinese and then Russian and then Japanese and then something else at the same time because I’m not going to know Chinese very well. I’ll know very little. So if I want to learn self defense, I need to learn self defense first, and then after I kinda get that, okay, branch off to concrete things.
Eyal: We can compare it to driving for example. I want to learn how to drive a car. Should I start with bicycles? Should I start with motorcycle? Should I go 200 miles per hour in order to be a good driver with a car? You know, maybe yes? But, my goal is to be able to drive myself from point A to point D at the shortest time to be a good driver, a reasonable driver, I will learn driving lessons in a car. I will not take driving lessons on a motorcycle. Motorcycle is a different vehicle. It’s a great vehicle, it can take you fast to whatever you want, wherever you want, but there’s another danger with it, but whatever. So there. The idea is let’s focus on the goal and the moment you want to improve yourself in a certain subject, then focus on that subject. I always say. If I could with my Krav Maga abilities. Win a boxing title and get $10,000,000 or get a gold medal, of course I will do it. But I didn’t train boxing and I am not so familiar with the rules and I didn’t spend time, hours and years in training with gloves. So of course, the boxer will be better than me in boxing. No question about this. But if I’ll have to fight a boxer, I’ll break his knee first. That’s it. And I’ll use a chair.
Joey: I always say, “Don’t box a boxer, Krav everybody”.
Joey: If someone spars you, you’re not gonna do as well because they’re the ones training just boxing and you’re training ground, knife, kicking knees, breaking legs, and so we can’t compare that level so — and then one time I was grappling with somebody and he got me in a lock and I grabbed his balls. He jumped off me like a cat. And he told me it wasn’t fair, but I was like “Well, that’s what I do!” that’s how I train.
Joey: Okay, let’s take a question from a listener. This is Chris Majas, he’s from Long Beach. He said “what is the most important goal someone new to Krav should set for themselves?”
Eyal: When you are joining a club, the question is, “What are your initial goals?”. So, when you’re going to a club, what’s your initial goals? Are your initial goals will be to become better fit? Or would your initial goals will be to defend yourself better? That’s it. So if our thinking is, okay, somebody’s joining us to be able to defend himself, to defend a family, to get better fit, to get associated with high level people, to have fun, there are different goals that people are joining, yes? So if somebody’s joining a club, he should set goals in his direction first.
Joey: That makes sense.
Eyal: So if he wants to fit, okay, let’s do some goals in the line of fitness. And let’s have additional goals in the line of self defense. So if now — I understand that this person was asking, “What are the goals in the line of self defense?”, that’s my understanding.
Eyal: Yes. Maybe the understanding is also other practical subject of “How can I defend my friends”.
Eyal: .. or family.
Joey: So, kind of, what’s your fear?
Eyal: Yes, exactly.
Joey: In a way.
Eyal: What are the dangers?
Eyal: So if the thinking is, the danger is people with knife, danger is people who are robbing other people, danger is bullying, the danger is my girlfriend is being harassed even when I’m with her, okay. So, if that is the danger, this is the risk analysis is what we call, then we should go in that direction. So the goal will be to become good in the basics which is: moving, striking, kicking first of all. Then more of the line of thinking of the fears and the danger, the risks are more for knives, okay. Join the group which is a bit more advanced as soon as possible. So, usually, you would not be able to join a group that is advanced if you are very much a beginner. Talk to the instructor. See when you can join a higher group.
Joey: And then that’s your new goal?
Joey: To join that group?
Joey: So you can learn the higher level stuff? That makes sense.
Eyal: Yes. Now, take a private lesson because it will take time for you to reach the levels and the subject of, let’s say, defending knife attacks and knife threats.
Joey: That makes sense.
Eyal: Okay, the moment you know how to strike, the instructor can put more attention to you if you are taking a private lesson to deal with knife attacks.
Joey: Makes sense.
Eyal: Because that’s the fears. Join the seminar the instructor is doing or somebody’s coming outside the city, like a global or international or national team member and join the seminar that is dealing with this stuff. That’s the idea. Now in the system, we have, generally speaking, we have a certain pace of progress. The progress is about risks and difficulties. What are the most risky subject, risky problems, and we need to tackle them first and, for instance, if you want we are defending circle or knife attacks and we’re defending a strike, and a kick, and a choke, and things like this. So here’s the most common problems in reality for most people. If you feel that that is not true, that other risks are waiting for you, okay. Try to find a way with your instructor to get to the next level.
Joey: That makes sense. We have another question from Brook Evans, she’s from California as well. She said, “After a lifetime of teaching and training for you, what keeps you motivated to continually, actively teach?”. So what motivates you?
Eyal: The mission is not finished yet. Not everybody in the world knows Krav Maga. That’s it. So, I am motivated by a few things. One is spreading the system, improving the people, improving the instructors. I want to have high-level instructors. I want the global teams, the national teams, the international teams to be as high as possible so they can pass the knowledge. As long as I can do this, I’ll do this. As long as they are willing and able to train with me, I’ll make them better. So that’s a goal. The organization has to progress, be more proficient. So, that’s another goal. And this is many times related to logistical matters. And material, like DVDs and books. So, not only teaching is on my mind, one on one, or one on a group, but also about spreading the knowledge in other medias in other ways. So DVDs and books, I’m working on this, but because I’m flying so much and teaching outside Israel so much, I don’t have a lot of time to do this but they are in progress.
Eyal: All right. I have a question. What would you — this is a little more personal, but, what would you think was your most difficult in your Krav Maga career? And that could be whether you first started or later or in the middle or when you’re first developing, what was the biggest hurdle, the biggest challenge that you had that impacted you the most?
Eyal: So first of all, I usually don’t focus on the hurdles, I focus on how to pass the hurdle. So, because of this, not to think what was my biggest problem or challenge, I have to look back and think and contemplate what was difficulty that I had. For example, it was difficult to put, or rather difficult to put Krav Maga in England. We were told initially that we will not be noticed before 15 years of working in England. It took me 7 to build a reasonable group of instructors and making impact on the market. Not only noticed but, be with an impact on the market took about 7-8 years. So this is an example but sometimes it’s just time. Time and effort. Spend time with teaching, go there again and again and again until things happen. So, I almost went bankrupt because of England, why? Because I was going there and there were very small number of students in the beginning, but now, every seminar I give in England is 100 people. Every event we have been testing — we do a testing event sometimes like in a weekend we have 300, 400, 500 people going through testing. So definitely it paid off. Yes? The specific work. Except of this, here and there, there are some physical problems, that’s more injuries, things like this, but again, I don’t see this as hurdles. I see it as sort of a difficulty that with time, we overcome it.
Joey: What about, if this is too personal it’s okay, but what about when IMMI passed away and Krav was kind of in your hands, how did that feel?
Eyal: I was at that stage, in a mental state of ready. I was ready. I walked with him so many years and during the past years that I was working with him I saw that whatever I was doing, he approved. There were no mistakes. Here and there are improvements that he would question that he would ask me and direct me, but overall, it was natural for me. I was born to do this.
Joey: So, you already picked up the torch before his passing. Gotcha. So what, it’s like a big shock of “oh my God”, now you have to do it, you’re already doing it.
Eyal: Remember, that I created a new curriculum and was very much invoked 10 years before he passed away. So it was already at that point quite progressive situation and then the next 10 years with working with him and sitting whit him and and doing things with him, it was natural, I had no problem. Of course, I lost my mentor, my teacher, my friend, but I was already ready. I already took the responsibility years before.
Joey: Yeah, that makes sense.
Joey: What would you say is your greatest, since we’re looking at the positives, what do you think is the greatest positive you’ve had or the victory that’s just made you feel like “Yes, this is great!”?
Eyal: I don’t look at the hurdles, I don’t look at the victories either.
Joey: So you’re very stoic, you don’t get sad, you don’t get too happy, stay right in the middle so you never disappoint.
Eyal: I just o the job . But if I look backwards about this so, great work was done. And a lot of people were assisting by continuing to spread the system in every country I went into. I never did things by myself. Always the local people who were the spearheads in that country. Without them, I could not have progressed, of course. It’s obvious. All the high level instructors, directors in every country, the coordinators in every country, without them I couldn’t make it. So I came with a knowledge, I came with a push, I came with enthusiasm. They joined. The team holds it together with me. That’s it.
Joey: Yeah. That’s awesome, I agree. We’ll kind of wrap it up, we’re kind of tight on time. So, couple questions. We had a question that says “What should we do if there’s no Krav Maga school in the area or if the only Krav Maga schools in the area seem very bad?”.
Eyal: Okay, by the way, bad Krav Maga can be worse than no Krav Maga at all. Because you can learn really stupid stuff or it’s not only about bad Krav Maga, it’s bad anything. Bad martial arts, bad karate, bad taekwando. You are learning things about sending you in the wrong direction. Practically you are learning how to injure yourself.
Joey: Yeah, actually, analogy I’d like to use for this is, you know the emergency food that lasts 20 years? A catastrophe and you buy emergency food? It’s like selling somebody emergency food that has poison in it and they’re never gonna know there’s poison in it until they need it, and then they eat it, and so to me, I’ve seen some techniques that you have to, where there they come in and show me, “I’ve learned this at the Krav Maga school!”, and I’m like, “Wow, you’re gonna die if you do that”. So I agree with you.
Eyal: And what’s the problem is that people are — instructors in that line are practically leading people to bad situations. And they took responsibility and we should sue them in that sense. They are paid. They are teaching people how not to function well. It’s definitely a disaster.
Joey: And, just to be frank, these other bad Krav Maga schools are making a bad name for a lot of school like for example, my school I’m on Costa Mesa, and I have multiple schools around me and I hear people making fun of Krav Maga when I tell them what I do. “That’s stuff BS, you know I’ve seen them do it on the school down the street. That’s not Krav. That’s not real Krav Maga, that’s old school, that’s different. 37:39
Eyal: Sometimes they use the name, that I go to Krav Maga too.
Joey: Yeah, and it just drive me crazy ’cause it’s just the deteriorates people or people go to Krav Maga classes at this schools they hate it ’cause it’s terrible and then leave and then thinks that Krav Maga is terrible and then go looking for another school.
Yeal: Sure, sure
Joey: Uhh! Sorry, it’s just getting me upset. Hahaha
Eyal: So, if there’s no Krav Maga school in that area first of all to evaluate another school is no different it’s not easy. You need to have some background. You need to have some understanding is this a good school or not. So please remember that’s easy to cheat many people all the time.
Eyal: And you look at a different, even different martial arts I moved them developed for nothing. Or for doing sports, or strengths sports or strengths competitions. That’s not for reality not for real not for reality. So if you want, if you wish to have an idea about what is reasonable Krav Maga the only advise that I can give you is try to go if you go in the net you go to maxkravmaga.com it’s an online learning site you can learn there we are representing there the correct Krav Maga that’s one. And then you can check if what you see on the website, what you see on the clips there on the different techniques, is it the same with what you are learning,what you are getting on this questionable Krav Maga location, that’s one thing. The other thing is if there is nothing resembling Krav Maga then I definitely suggest stop some sort of realistic martial arts, if you can say. This is a catcher, do you know if it’s realistic or not. So if you go to boxing or kick boxing or Muay Thai , then it’s easy to identify if they’re good or not because it’s easy for you to see some competition in boxing, and you can easily see if it’s reasonable boxing or not then joined this type of schools.
Joey: Okay, So get some–40:13 of training.
Eyal: Exactly, exactly. This is a good a good MMA instructor. I f this MMA instructor, has a competing students,then he has to be okay.
Joey: Yeah, that makes sense
Eyal: Yes, because if not, he has no competing student. They will not not survive there. So then you still need to be aware that you are getting into a sport which means there are rules, and there are let’s say rules of engagement, yes. There are things that they do and things that they do not and the things that they do not, the criminals are doing this, the criminals that are training how to use a knife. The criminals are not maybe training as per say as training session, no they are stabbing people and practising this. Maybe we should not training on this stuff, practicing this in reality. So, you need to be aware of the fact that you are going into some limitation. For instance, you are not ready to deal with for multiple attackers, multiple opponents, you are not ready to deal with specific problems as certain types of robberies.
Eyal: And I remember there was a, in Israel there was a sad case and there were few cases in the world that people came from different types of competing Martial arts or wrestling or grappling they grab an attacker who had a gun and they got shot. And so there have been cases like this or they try to go into fighting a person and got stabbed. Why? Because they are not aware of that danger and not ready for that and not trained for that, they are very good in other line, they are not good in certain lines, a certain types of problems. So to stop your combating, to start a fighting abilities to start the ability to defend okay and to strike okay, many schools of martial arts are good preparation 42:29 .
Joey:Okay, it’s good. I mean realistic, so guys if you don’t know what Max Krav Maga is basically it’s an online learning course that 42:40 shot videos for and some other 42:42 videos for that show pretty much all the techniques and the Krav Maga Global System up to the graduate levels.
Eyal: Yes,it’s ten levels.
Joey: Yeah ten, levels so lots of good material in there so if you don’t have our Krav Maga school to train at you can train at somewhere they basically learn combative and also take this e-course to learn self-defense portions. And now you have the foundation in combative punching and kicking and knees and elbows then you can watch the DVD’s and learn the concepts of discerning guns and knives obviously you need to train them still so maybe learn the concepts in finding a place where there’s a KMG camp. Like for example this weekend we’re having a practitioner so it’s a lower level and high level camp where people come in from all the country and train for three days with that all and that would be a greatv place for you to come in and train. If you don’t a Krav Maga school so that’s maxkravmaga.com. Alright, so last couple of questions I’m just curious myself so I’m gonna ask, I know you, sometimes I see you and you’re interesting things. What does your on a good day if everything goes well, what is your normal morning routine?
Eyal: Okay, so I wake up definitely depends 44:04 what is wrong, nothing is wrong? Because in Israel I have to take care things at home and the dogs and walk with the dogs, feed the dogs and all these..
Eyal: And, but overall I wake up usually in the morning I drink quite large quantity of water, to clear and clean the body. And I do some physical drills with mental drills,some of that are I learn from the yoga I’ve been practicing yoga for some years. It’s more like a mental line of yoga or raja yoga.
Joey: What you call that? A Raj..
Eyal: A raja yoga. Yes, it’s a one of the lines of yoga it’s more for mental training.
Joey: Got it!
Eyal: So I do some mental training, focusing, concentration. It’s in the line of focusing body’s future mind so, being able to focus better and concentrate better. I do some physical activities its depends if I’m teaching that day specially from outside Israel, If I’m not then almost always I do some work which is physical in the line of power and stamina. I work on the bag and I usually work on the heavy bag or medium heavy bag with visualizing techniques.
Eyal: So I visualize an attacker attacking me, and I do defenses relevant to counter attacks, correct moving and many times I’m working a similar thing work on a situation that is with multiple opponents so I’ve got three targets, like a couple of bags and a dummy. And I make combinations of strike and kicks to the different directions, to different targets visualizing attacks and defenses, and I do defenses against this attacks. And I do different series like this, few rounds like this and usually combined within this rounds some 46:09 by work .
Eyal: weight, light weight.
Joey: Yeah 46:13 are great! I’ve been getting that jobs lately.
Eyal: Yes, so for guess 46:16 can be two and four minutes round, that will be working on the bags and then in between and break between the rounds like half a minute to a minute, I’ll do some basic swings or something like that.
Joey: Okay, cool.
Eyal: It’s a common..
Joey: Yeah, that’s awesome. How long you’ve been doing Krav for now?
Eyal: 41 years and few months
Joey: 41 years and few months, and you’re still doing, practising in the mornings?
Eyal: I try.
Joey: That’s great! I mean, some people trained for five years or three years and they think they know it all and they don’t practice anymore. So the fact that you’re still practising it makes me happy. How do you actually that leads into another question really quick before e end, from Shane Conrad he ask, how do you continue to improving your level and your skill when you’re so far progressive above your peers? You just love to know how somebody at this higher level still tries to get to a higher level. I mean, you kind a answer that a little bit by you still train in the mornings, you do a mentally you do a physically is any other things you do to help your Krav Maga get better and I mean there’s no one to test you necessarily. So what is your way of getting better?
Eyal: Okay, there’s a few things one, I tried to look at my techniques from time to time, so..
Joel: soft video?
Eyal: Video, yes that’s one. Second thing I practiced with some of my students. So not only practising by myself, I’ve been practicing with other people and please remember in this moment in my life, I can punch a lot of people. I can knock out a lot of people in the world. But some people can still knock me out. So practising with other people, you always make mistakes and so there’s a place for improvement . If you monitor your ego, don’t let it go to high, then there’s no problem to get it.
Joey: that’s, yes
Eyal: Not to hard though. Yes, not to get injured, also one of the things that I encouraged very much is questions. So today I don’t get too many questions that I’ve not heard before. But here and there I get questions and then I have to find the answer. So this is a sort of a challenge. I need to find it and answer and sometimes I find the answer and sometimes I find the better answer. So this is the way to improve. S get associated with people, and of course I tried to get associated with people who are high level, and even if they’re not as high as me, still they’re thinkers, they’ve got the experience, sometimes they modify something or sometimes they got a problem that they couldn’t find a solutions so they come to with the questions. So this is the way to a progress. Be in reality and interact with other people sooner or later you’ll have a hurdle that you have to pass.
Joey: Now it make sense so constantly improving, constantly innovating, the innovation process makes you grow, so therefore you’re also learning more things, that makes a lot of sense. Okay, cool. And okay ,so how about to wrap it up just to for Emi and stuff is there a story of that you remember of Emi that, funny story, or something that you hold dear to yourself? or a memory of his you can share that kind of gives people a little more light of who Emi was?
Eyal: I will tell a couple of stories that are very different and in a way can present him. One was when I was a younger teenager there was a room of story between us- among us. The kids that, Emi was standing in the light of cinema, and suddenly 3 man came and pushing and wanted to buy a ticket out of their line, so they’re cutting in the line, and Emi punch the 3 of them. Okay, so as a teenager and see from time to time Bruce Lee or movies or something like that, or it sounds very nice.
Joey: Yeah, one punch and it knocks them all out.
Eyal: something like that. Okay, but then, suddenly, about 15 years later, I recalled this story. I was about 30 years old that moment and from the age of 30 to hear a story like this is not a correct behaving of a gentleman, of a person. Probably were not even legal, yes? I went and ask Emi, did it happen? He said, it never happened. He said, “Yes, the incident started something like this,” But he said to this 3 guys, probably in their early 20s, and he was probably around 50 years old at that time, he said to these guys, “You will not buy tickets before Emi.” and that was the whole issue. No punching, no kicking, no knocking out anybody, yes this story became sort of a urban legend and nothing true about it. Another situation, was completely different, Emi was walking with a group of officers, in the base in his 52:15 . This base was the base of a military school for a combat fitness. And from a distance, there was a group of soldiers training, and Emi said to these officers, “Where is the instructor?” and they told him, “oh, this guy with this type of clothing,” and he said, “no,where is the instructor, no image, there’s no presence, there’s no control, there’s no leadership,okay?” He was focused, about correct teacher. He wanted his students his instructors, his soldiers to be proficient, efficient in the knowledge and in the way of transferring it. And in the very ear;y phase of Krav Maga, nobody could teach Krav Maga without instructor course. These days the’re some ridiculous people who are educating others, giving them diplomas lets say, after 1 or 2 or 3 days or 4 or days of instructor course it’s ridiculous. So for him, the process of teaching and educating instructor, was super important. The last story I would tell about him, he didn’t say it, he didn’t tell them this. It was told me first by a woman, she knew him, she was a student of his. In gymnastics, it was in his Hometown of Bratislava in Slovakia when the 54:05 were rising there and it was before, in the beginning of the world war before he left to a Israel. And she says like this,. she sees from the second floor, of a coffee shop, in the yard there were few tables in that coffee shop and one , near one of the tables, there were a group of 4 or 5 people that were behaving very rudely in quite aggressively and she asked what are they doing, this people? She got an answer that they’re waiting for Emi to punch him, to knock him out, to knock him down something like this. Emi appeared he saw this people, he took 2 bottles from tables, broke the bottles and chased this people away. So, when you look at a situation like this in this modern 21st century eyes, let’s say of an American or an English person, its not suppose to be a behavior of a person like this, but maybe he should leave the place. During 55:16 times, when you needed to stand on your ground, on a daily basis they were fighting, 55:25 , You would not back down, you would not give up, you would deter the attackers or potential attackers, I don’t know if he cut them , I don’t know if he injured them. I asked him, Emi did this happen? Did this situation that you broke the 2 bottles and chased those people away, did this happen? he said yes. He never told me the story. But he said yes it happened. So, it time of need, he was a fighter, and he had many years in his life, that the system is all about. And to defend himself and to defend his fellow people, to defend the 56:16 , the 56:16 and there was no way to give up. You couldn’t give up. If you give up, you will not exist here anymore.
Joey: coz I mean It was developed in one of the worst times.
Eyal: exactly, so that it. For the needs of war, and fights, and self defense and perfection.
Joey: Do you have any parting advice or anything you want to tell future or current Krav Maga students that are still starting to get in to it? Any parting wisdom?
Eyal: Yes. Don’t take things for granted. Check them, think about them. Try to judge them. Are they for real? Are these techniques, training methods, are they serving the purpose? And the purpose is first of all: Be able to defend yourself and other people, then additional things like: fitness, improve your fitness, is it fun? Is it enjoyable? always gloomy and pressing and pressing. The name of the game is training, so get the best knowledge you can get, practice one of the best guiding you can get.
Joey: Cool, well thank you so much for being part of the podcast,
Eyal: My pleasure. All the best to you all.